The race can be called if the number of votes that one candidate is ahead is greater than the number of outstanding ballots to be counted.

Romney didnt have enough magic in his underwear
Any idea how much of the debt including interest was/is wasted on invading Iraq?
Any idea how much the Afgan war plus interest cost?
How about Medicare Part D?
Since unemployment has never been zero what is the republicon solution to the developmentally disabled the poor the elderly the un wed mothers you know the ppl you conservatives go to church on Sunday to pray for?

What's your IQ boy? You don't even know what IQ stands for. Obama Voting, liberal moron.

These Election Results Brought To You By The Letters "F" and "U".

@simpletruth. What is your definition of a lot? I guess you did not know Romney] even lost in New Jersey. He was a big loser everywhere. By the way, alot [sic] is actually two words.

@Globalwarming We need Romney in office! Greatest tragedy in US history! Those billionaires deserve their hard earned money. Obama was born in Nazi Germany. Global warming is a hoax. Change scares me! I'm old, white, and on medicare, I want to drain the system!

Every president has put this country in debt - no one wants to make the tough decisions in politics your candidate included

Except for Clinton. We had a surplus with Clinton and gas was still just around a dollar a gallon. I miss that guy.

Nose Wayne: PLEASE look at the "facts" not your "feelings". Bill C. left office with a {supposedly) budget surplus, George W. left office with a big deficeit (mostly due to his "tax breaks for the rich" & the unfunded wars in Iraq & Afghanistan). Net is per Mayor Bloomberg...we need to increase taxes & reduce our current expenses, but no politician (Rep or Dem) has the GUTS to stand up to this "math 101" requirement.

Like getting kicked in the ...

ditto

I guess the others want a socialist.

Rufus,
Being reasonably sure that the president was safe in our state, I voted for Rocky Anderson. I think the president can do better, but he is certainly the lesser of two evils in the Republicrat party.

Rufus ... I voted for Johnson, too, for the same reason. Yes, we're in the minority, but this country needs a strong third party.

John M - no, Obama isn't a socialist - he's a stone cold Marxist.

I proudly voted for Johnson yesterday as well.

I voted for Gary Johnson too - go 3rd party!!!

Agree

Move to Canada.... and they have government healthcare for your illness.

As I live in Canada, I can state that the health care system is cheaper, more efficient, and has no real waiting when someone needs care. I had a heart attack and a week later quintuple by-pass. I had a nerve issue and within a week had appointments with 3 of the 4 specialists my family doctor requisitioned, plus a MRI, xrays, a scan of my leg veins and arteries, etc.
So move to Canada, where the hospitals are PUBLIC hospitals, and there is no private profit motive. Where the doctors swipe your health card, fill in the codes for the work they've done, and get paid monthly by the government. Where the typical hospital has one or two people handling all of the accounting, and a doctor has one or two people helping him, as she/he/they do not need to chase deadbeats, call in collection agencies, or pay high rates for malpractice insurance. And stop stealing our doctors because the U.S. has such a shortfall of the doctors they really need.

@ Bob H, if you plan to blow smoke up peoples *sses, at least do some reading about the Canadian healthcare system.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/canada-s-health-care-system-overview-public-and-private-participation

"While most hospitals in Canada operate in this semi-private manner, some hospitals are completely private, operating on either a non-profit or for-profit basis. These are private hospitals that existed prior to the shift by the provincial governments to the role of health care stewards. As such, these private facilities have been allowed to continue providing medical services. Ontario, for example, has eight such private hospitals that are regulated by the provincial Private Hospitals Act and funded by the provincial government through annual budget allotments."

Yes, there are a few private hospitals, which existed before any more were banned. So what... The point is that they are they are a miniscule exception. I live in Toronto, and I know the Sholdice which ONLY does Hernia operations and IS indeed private. That is one of the 8. It gets clients from around the world for its expertise. And they get paid the same amount for an operation on an Ontario patient as the public hospitals get. They just make most of their money from non-Ontario patients. That proves nothing, since there has not been one new Private Hospital since that shift you mention, which was in the early 1970s, if memory serves, and this has NOT hurt Ontario, its citizens, or its nurses, etc... except in ways that those in the U.S. would find problematic, such as limiting increase via negotiation with the nurse unions, doctor's union/association, and so on. I fully know about the very few private hospitals, out of the hundreds in the country, so don't quote a bit of nonsense about an archaic hospital system called 'private' hospitals without noting how far back they go in time, and that they were grandfathered.

@ Bob, so I guess you also know about Canadians purchasing private insurance to cover what the gov insurance doesnt?
And you also know that you're government insurance only covers about 70% of what would be catergorized as medical care, the other 30% is payed privately ?

No new hospitals since the 70's?
Except of course this one built in 1996
http://www.csc-surgery.com/

Hmm , do I believe Bob about how fantastic Universal Care is in Canada. And how there are no real wait times.
Or do I believe this:
http://www.cimca.ca/newsletter/issue02_04.html
The "Users Guide to Private Medical Care" in Macleans May 1st Special Edition describes the "relentless march of private health care across the nation."

"For example, The Copeman Healthcare Centre has a private clinic in Vancouver, with plans to expand in other Canadian cities. For an up-front fee and annual fees, patients can buy a health care package including unlimited visits to family doctors and access to health professionals on a 24-hour basis."

"It is a matter of supply and demand. 875,000 Canadians are today waiting for medical treatment. Health care consumes more than a third of provincial revenues, threatening to rise to 44% by 2020. Medical expenses are going up by $5 billion a year, but waiting times and other improvements to health care (e.g. new technology) are not happening. After thirty years of adherence to the policies enshrined in the Canada Health Act, where bureaucratic edict rules in place of market discipline, the current public health care system is unsustainable."

How do you define medical care? Chiropractor? Dental care? No, that is NOT pure medical. Cancer Care - 100% coverage, Heart Problems, Diabetes, Endocrinology, and a lot of other issues are 100% covered. Rx? Cost is $100 yr & $4.11 a Rx for 90 days worth of the drug [approved drugs]. My bank retiree plan helps pay for others @ 50% for some Rx and dental needs and 80% of the balance. So yes, I pay some things, but I will never be bankrupted by what I need to pay. When my son had cancer - osteogenic sarcoma, had a leg resection, two lung excisions of cancerous growths, a year of chemo and so on, the cost of us was $56 [10%] toward the cost of the wheelchair he needed for a year, and then 20% of his artificial leg, which gets replaced every three years if he needs a replacement, now that he is an adult, but was replaced when he needed it due to growth when he was younger. He is 42 now and a father of 2, and he was 16 when that happened. When I had my bypass in 1999 I paid for the telephone in the hospital. That was it. All the rest was covered by the Provincial plan. Specifically when I do my provincial tax return the maximum I have to pay toward my medical insurance, in the tax return, is $600 for a family. It is income dependent, and in my case is less than that. Buy health insurance in the U.S. for $600 a year and see if it will cover bypass, stents, full cancer treatment and so on without any co-pay. When that happens you can try to tell me I'm full of it, but not before.

@ Bob , You only pay $600 a year for Medical care ?
It's estimated that 45-50% of all Provinces government spending goes towards medical care.
Where does that money come from ? Money Fairy ?

And yes, the items you listed are considered part of medical coverage in the US.
At least the plan I have anyway.

My problem with people that debate like you is that you're disingenuous.

PS- I've worked with people from Canada in the medical industry. So I know a bit more then what I read online.

@mtwnres Cut me a break. You had a conversation two years ago in an airport with a guy who spent a night in Toronto back in 2003 and suddenly you are an expert on the Canadian Healthcare System. Whatever. LOL!
Every time I read something by you I ask "How does Moorestown attract such losers?"

Ric - everytime I read something by you I think..
This guy sure talks a ton of sh*t for some dick that hides behind a screen name.

And Ric, actually I know someone ( we work in the same industry) that works at the QE2 hospital in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
But don't let that stop you from opening your big mouth and proving once again what an *ss you are.

I live in Ontario and you give me data on British Columbia. That is apples and oranges. Each province controls its own medical care rules as long as the rules are universal in the province and stick to the federal legislation. Sort of like real States Rights.
The article you use is one side of a long ongoing debate, and it is self serving. It has a target and clearly you have become one of its converts. I can speak of my experiences after 43 years of living in Canada, while still voting in New Jersey in Federal elections. Yes, I sometimes have to wait a week or two for a specialist, but I know a lot of people in New York City and its environs who also have to wait to see specialists in their offices, sometimes far longer. I also know that they pay far more than I pay. Yes, some of my taxes go to pay for provincial medical care, where in the U.S. that money goes to the military complex and not to aid the people. We have three tax rates and we do not have mortgage interest paid deductible from income and other such special interest deductions. But I look it as a great benefit. ANYONE gets treated, be they an alcoholic or a Bishop and in any hospital it is always based, in Emergency, on who is in the worst condition, not who has the money to pay, as happened to us in Broward County once, where we were taken from one emergency room across the hospital to the other because we had Canadian medical insurance and those in the first emergency did not have any insurance. UGH!

And the article you quote from is from 2006, six years ago, and is written by someone from an association of private clinics. Try finding articles that are more recent than 2006 and less biased - you argue using material that is so distorted that it does not even begin to approach accuracy in Ontario's situation.

@Bob, I'm not arguing to show who has better medical care. I'm sure you believe Canada does, as I believe we do. I'm arguing that if you want to bring up Canadian healthcare as an example of what is better, at least be intellectually honest enough to use accurate information. As you said, don't compare apples and oranges.
Why bring up the military ? We pay taxes to support ours, same as you pay taxes to support yours.
As for your anecdotal accounts. It will get real boring going tit for tat on those.
You have just as many problems with the system in Canada as we do here.

EXACTLY!!!!! I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

And Obama is as much a Republican like Eisenhower was as he is a Democrat. Eisenhower would be called a Socialist by today's Republicans, as he started one of the biggest make work projects the U.S. has ever seen, called the Interstate Highway system! In many ways Obama is so far to the right compared to earlier Republicans, including Lincoln, that they would consider him as a right wing President. People seem to forget history when they spout off...

just means those states are full of morons who are on the dole. Just wait to see what four years of an unrestrained Obama bring.

do u need the phone or disability,for that matter if in fact you need any govt assistance,then by all means sign up.if you dont really need or qualify.TRY SHUTTING UP,you have no idea the phone as with a bunch of programs started by republicans.IDIOT

time for you to move then.

Why don't you move to one of those hillbilly states. They all voted for your Mormon preacher and compulsive liar. If you are so ashamed - do us a favor and leave.

Sore loser.

Me too. Sad day for America too, that an economically failed President would be re-elected. Can't believe the country voted for the cult of personality over an experienced, successful manager, but I'm not surprised because we are a vapid people who will turn into a failed European social democracy. Let's hope he doesn't send us on the permanent road to ruin and that things aren't too bad andGovernor Christie can save us in 2016 when he is elected president.

Proud to be from New Jersey and Proud to be an American!!

Jules, really? If the two parties refuse to work together to bring the economy back for their own selfish amibitions, I wouldn't call that a failed economic policy. If they would allow for something to happen, anything, it would be better than the current stalled out situation.

-And ange, just stop. Don't judge others for what they believe is the right ideology to follow.

white trash has been moving out of NJ for years now. Bye bye...

I guess they're smarter than we give them credit

Obama was part of the Socialist New Party in Illinois in the 90s.

No one said he was in the Socialist Party. The S Party does not have to endorse him. It's like saying that water is wet.

John M is an idiot. Obama doesn't even come close to being a Socialist. John M is one of those half-wits who repeats what Hannity and Bachman say. He's a nice little pet, a RINO who is helping to destroy the GOP and have it associated with batshit crazies.

But Obama gave them free upgrades

Oh yes - Let's blame President Bush again - for everything!

You could have saved yourself some time and stayed home today.

It's your fault, Frank!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!@@!!!!!! 4 More years. Try working with the President this time. Mitch McConnell - "We want to make Obama a one term President". Too Bad Mitch. You lost. HAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! Romney Sucks. Oh..and Elizabeth Warren also won!!!!! HAHAHA. Your party is pro-rape! LOL!

Maybe you can get a job at Bain Capital!

Yes!! And Elizabeth Warren deserved to win! She is a very intelligent, ethical woman who gives em hell.

Lots of women won; Ms Warren is one of the best, but we have Claire McCaskill, Tammy Baldwin, Mazie Hirono, Debbie Stabenow, etc.

you don't get it? Why would you believe what the CEO's say? Their interests are not the same as yours or mine. The CEO's threatened to lay-off workers and cut expenses so they could show addititional profits to the compensation committee. That is to insure increases to their already obcene pay packages. Now their taxes are going to go up- that is what they are crying about. Their lobbyists and paid-for congressmen had provided them with tax rates that are lower than yours and mine. The CEO's hoped enough people (like you) wouldn't understand this and they attempted to scare their employees to vote along with them. Fortunately, they've been exposed for their greed and will now have to pay taxes at closer to historical rates. Solving our fiscal problems will require a balanced approach that includes revenue increases along with entiitlement cuts.

God Bless the Unions. Our only defense to stand up against the 1 %!!! If Mittney won the election - your job would sent to China.

Nobody who really knew Mittsy endorsed him ie, the Morman people and the Massachussets people. That speaks volumes.

KC,
Interesting point—and telling.

Agree, Nick. It's always a vote against something instead of for. I know in my gut a billionaire can't understand what it's like for the rest of us. My gut also tells me Obama might be/is more liberal than I'd like. But the majority of the country is not in Romney's stratosphere. People like him pretend but don't really get it. I know from personal experience. Clearly there is a divide in this country but it wasn't created by Barack Obama and his team. It was building. There are the Haves and Have Nots. The political parties, especially the Republicans, have got to get a clue.

Karen,
I appreciate your comments. My mom has long felt that the Republican party has left her behind, I am more liberal than she, and you, but the extreme represented by Mr. Romney is just too much for so many of us.

America needs a third party, but just as we survived Sandy, we survived Romney in my estimation. It would have been even worse if he had been elected.

Karen, Finally, someone with intelligence who can see whats really happening with the Republican party. Their policies and values have continued to move so far to the right, they clearly are only working for a small group of people, "the haves." It's unfortunate, and I hope they finally step up and try and work with this President. The need to put their egos aside and work for the people.

Not even close Ed. Most economists on both sides of the aisle feel the sub prime crisis is a direct result of the CRA Act of '77 under Carter and the AMPTA under Reagan in '82. It had been in motion long before Clinton took office.

Edward, Are you aware that Bush deregulated Wall street and look what happened. We almost lost our shirt. If President Obama didn't act fast- we would have wound up like Spain or Greece. We aren't out of the woods - but we are still better off.

I miss Bubba. I had a great job and actually had something left after paying some bills. Your Bushie era tax cuts drove us all broke apart from some seniors who lived the high life while their children and grandchildren suffered. Sorry but you red hats can go red neck and move to the red states if you are going to be such sore losers.

Jim - yes, Carter started the deregulation of banking as well as oil. Clinton finished it off. The truth is, no matter political party affiliation - if you spend more than you make, you are to blame. There are plenty of people who purchased homes they couldnt afford, and charged entirely too much on credit cards. Bankruptcy may make the debt holder's debt disappear, but it's the working taxpayer who gets stuck with the bill.

Crazy world - Bush didn't 'deregulatate' Wall Street - the Democrats who served under Bush did. They were in charge of the Congress, remember? Thank you for pointing out Spain and Greece because we are following right behind them. Since Harry Reid hasn't produced a budget for the last four years, it's unclear what will happen at this point since our debt equals our GDP.

Yeah, under Clinton were passed both welfare reform (which allows states to limit assistance to able-bodied adults to 2 years) and the loosening of the banking regulation. Welfare reform actually helped (before the recession), but I hate that he made the banking mess possible. Still, if financiers weren't trading mortgage securities like 17th century Dutch tulip growers and there hadn't been so many corrupt mortgage brokers, there wouldn't have been a huge crash in 2008.

Right on, Edward Dooley!

Our gas prices are some of the lowest in the country, and we have full service only (as does only Oregon alone). We have a strong station owners’ association.
Honestly, the gasoline prices should be higher in our state, and our country—compare Europe. Do you realize that there have been 5 increases in mass transit fares since the last gasoline tax increase in our state? We are giving incentives to gas guzzlers while we do nothing to mitigate our destruction of the environment.

On what planet? Look in the mirror when you say stupid.

Gas in NJ is not full service. It is just not self service--full service would include fluid and tire checks.

Too bad there weren't enough other counties with the same opinion. :(

Ben - I have observed too many racist comments like this during this election. It is very, very sad.

Monmouth County too!

agree.

Because of the idiots in Congress. Unwilling to make a deal or pass a budget. The sacred cow of the republican party is not allowing to tax the rich at the level during the Clinton Presidency. I believe in cutting spending but let everyone share in the burden!!!!

Jobs numbers for October were up, actually. Let's see what happens after the fiscal cliff, though. Austerity hasn't worked all that well for Europe, I hope it's better for us.

Maria welfare has been around for ages. It didn't just arise during the Obama Adminstration. I'm sure your relatives have utilized the system at some point, foodstamps, medicaid, cash or all of the above!!

"...let everyone share in the burden"
So you're suggesting that everyone pay the same tax rate? That would be great in that it would also eliminate future nasty references to the "47%" since they'd be finally sharing in the burden too.......

Agree, Entitled! Let's all of us - 100% of us - share the burden! We should ALL be paying taxes!

seconded, and California, Washington, and Hawaii too!

I do not see the president as divisive; I see Mr. Romney as more of a divisive figure, so much for the wealthy, dismissing 47% of the population, even if in private.

It's funny how everyone I call a socialist or a racist starts trying to divide people like me from the sane.

It is the people in this country that are racist, not the President. Why doesn't everyone just grow up and try to work together to get things done.

Sally G: Whether you like the 47% comment or not, Romney illuminated a stark inequality in this country. 100% of us should be sharing the burden and paying taxes. He didn't dismiss 47 percent. He called it for what it was. And it should change.

Yeah, those stupid people in one of the most highly educated states in the union and with higher per-capita incomes than most. Hahaha!

Go polish the silver in your Marlboro McMansion. You lost. Get over it. You will now pay the same amount of tax that the working people do. Puff.

Hate to inform you MarlborMann, but hardworking AMERICAN whites are sick and tired of the Republican party who are more interested in their egos than the American people. These people voted for Obama.

Gee whiz KC, I hope I can now pay the same amount of tax that the average working person pays. Because right now I pay approximately 10 times the amount that the average tax payer pays.

Duh, Illegals can't vote!

Majority of Americans didn't vote for Obamy. Will Obamy do what the majority want?

ozamotaz,
The latest popular vote I saw, 50.8 million to 50.6 million, is in fact in favor of the president. It DOES indicate a deep divide, I will give you that, but still with an Obama majority. I believe that the president will indeed do the people’s will, especially if we make that clear by getting involved.

I am with you Ed

Nah nah nah nah nah nah. Sore losers - only believe in the democratic process when they win. Your candidate ran, and lost and I for one say thank God for that.

Just let them cry themselves to sleep!

Hank, you're welcome!
Sincerely,
A 2%-er who's paying for your health care
Don't thank Obama, thank me!!

Poor, poor you. The guy who wanted to dismantle government lost, and your faith in government is gone. Makes sense on some planet, somewhere.

Well maybe you should have lost faith in corporations first.

Lose faith in corporations? Are you really serious, KC? That's the most bass-ackwards thing I've ever heard.

Get this: YOU own the fact of whether you're a Have or a Have Not. It's in your power to do anything you want to do, to be as successful as you can be in this world. You could own a corporation if you really tried. It's actually not that hard. But don't knock me, a corporation owner (gasp! CEO!). I put in the hard work and took the risks - you didn't. That's not my fault.

http://gawker.com/5958373/watch-fox-news-chew-its-own-leg-off-in-a-fury-of-recrimination

There's something seriously wrong with your brain Mr. Dover. Why are you so mean-spirited?

Gee, another brilliant racist comment from Ben Dover. You are filled with hate.

He hasn't even called Obama yet!

Ugh, who cares what that airhead has to say? She's like a cold sore that keeps coming back.

Who is Trump? The name sounds familiar like an '80's song.

PS: Maggie can you tell us how you really feel about Sarah Palin? LOL! You description of her was great! She is another '80's song that needs to discarded.

LOL. But only the legal ones.

Yes, there is a large shift underway, and if it is to be a more caring, humane society, I welcome it. The Republicans have indeed moved away from their roots, going to an extreme that was rejected.
Congratulations, Mr. President!

Exactly. We got people looking for a jobs and the repubics are so out of touch, they are only worried about two women or two men getting married.

Talking off the cuff like that is easy but not really the case. Every leader wants to see a good economy. This economy is poor due to the deficit, the housing boom that went bust and put many in society into house poor debt. But that doesn't mean a leader can't also be concerned with other (social) issues at the same time dealing with every other issue the country faces.

At least on Fox News. The country will be just fine.

LOL! SOUR GRAPES FROM YOU! The repubIcs gave the election to Barrack on a sterling silver platter. America is not far right. Get with the times.

"You mention the Navy, for example, and the fact that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. "Well Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets," said the president. "We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines." Obama drove the point home, "It's not a game of Battleship where we're counting ships, it's 'What are our priorities?'"

>>>America is not far right.<<<
America isn't but the Republican party has been and still is held hostage by the far right of social and religious conservatives. Romney himself found out that he had to paint a new picture of himself as being very much conservative from his days as MA. Gov. in order to just get the nomination. The other nominees were rooted out one by one during the primaries by voters who did feel they were too far right.

Amen!

He is a complete failure but you would have to examine the record to determine that and his supporters don't do that. The media makes it easy for them too because they don't cover the record. They vote based on their feelings. God help us!

There, there you poor dear. Cry on my shoulder if it makes you feel better. Sounds like sour grapes coming from you. Your republican party handed the election over to Obama. Stupidly the republicans embraced the far right religious nutcases and ignored its moderates. Moderates like me will not associate with the far right or left and Obama was much closer to the center than Mittens.

Y'all need to get our gay marriage and abortion. Focus on jobs and the economy. I mean you don't have to kowtow to bible thumpers. They aren't going to vote democrat. Cheer up; I hear Barrack will need lots of political bunting for his election. With your flag making skills, you should be a shoe in. So Barrack does love you!

So stop crying sour grapes

>>>I'm raising my kids to be on the government system. I need a job so I can get fired and then collect unemployment, welfare, food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing, oh and yeah, a free phone! I know small business owners going into work today and laying someone off! Don't worry Obama will take care of them!<<<
Oh I see, none of this happened at all during the eight years of the GW Bush administration.

Oh for God's sake! There has been some sort of government assistance in this country since the early days of it's existence, so let's just stop blaming Obama for that one. And you pay into unemployment so you are getting your own money! If you work your whole life you don't even collect nearly as much as you put in. While there will always be people who try to take advantage of the system, there are those that truly just fall on hard times (like the people who have lost their jobs because of the hurricane!) Those people need a helping hand once in a while and I for one have no problem with that. We should care more about each other as human beings in the country. Why does that side of us only come out during a disaster? And you know what else I notice, it is usually the people who have the least who help the most. So get off your high horse. Obama isn't perfect, what president is, but he at least is trying to make things work for EVERYONE! Sorry if that includes the less fortunate. I am sure you would rather they just sweep them under a rug.

Come on over to our business. We'll be laying off about 25 of our extremely hard working employees because Obamacare is going to put us out of business otherwise.

Ask Trump how he does it.

Hahahahahahahahaha! That's a good one! I particularly like that old joke about deliberately cutting your income in order to cut the tax burden because 70% of something is a lot worse than 0% of nothing. Funny stuff!

Unless you're serious, then this is just a silly little rant.

Hi J.D.
Yeah, funny stuff when you're talking six figures. I'll take it you don't own your own business. Real funny. LMAO. I guess I'll be paying your health insurance, too. That's even funnier! Hahahahahhaah!!!! The irony!!!

And I'm dead serious. This isn't a silly rant, rather a mindset that many will take. Because why would I work 40 more hours a week to work for small-minded fools like YOU?! Hahahhaah - I won't.

HereWeGoAgain,

You're batting .000, I'm afraid. Wrong on all counts. I do in fact have my own business, I AM talking six figures, and if you wish to start receiving my health insurance bills I'd be pleased to send them to you, but for now I expect to continue paying them for myself as I have for a decade and a half now.

I reiterate: Talk of cutting one's own income in some vain hope that you'll be doing better by taking home less money is nothing but a silly little rant.

Thank you for your brilliance, J.D. Luke. I wish you the best.

We will all be crying soon and be over-taxed for those who want hand-outs. Then, excess tax burdens to all of the hard-working, educated folks who are in the top tax bracket and who actually "worked" and went to school and made something of themselves. I think it's pitiful. Yes, F. Sandy - very sad.

I based my vote purely on their stand on social issues knowing all too well that it wouldn't matter who we elect because both parties have shown themselves to be equal opportunity spenders. The deficit also soared during the eight years of GW Bush.

Hopefully this time the Republicans will put their egos aside and at least try to work things out for the better of Americans. When the Speaker of the House and his party affiliates state "we will not work with this President", shows me that their first priority is not the American people.

In Camden County, Obama/Biden received 137,795 votes to 63,329 for Romney/Ryan.

Ann, it amazes me that the Romneyites at Patch did not see this defeat coming. Even our governor Chris Christie saw the writing on the wall last week when he appeared with President Obama. Then Christie Denied Mitt Romney Request To Appear At Campaign Event Days Ahead Of 2012 Election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/chris-christie-mitt-romney_n_2079371.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Romney could have conceded this election earlier had he done poorly in that first debate. But since he got a bump in polls it gave some much needed hope. The results are not surprising.

It hasn't been just the last four years. We also spent ourselves into big time debt under GW Bush.

+1 Mischa. No sour grapes, either, from me. Just deeply concerned. Sure, Bush put us in debt, but Obama did nothing except add to that debt and deepened great divisiveness in our country, which we did not need, by utilizing class and racial warfare. What a great leader!!!!

The crash of 2008 and the austerity cuts are what's taking money out of my pocket these days, actually. It's amazing how 'government can't create jobs' but austerity does seem to put people out of a job.

No lower than the Democrats. Benghazi much?

Obama ran one of the dirtiest campaigns ever. Romney had class. No comparison in character between the two. I'm sure you have no idea what that means.

+1
Leaders in this country should UNITE the people, not cause such division and hatred.

Start with Obama. He's been more divisive than anyone.

Agreed, Truth teller. It's fascinating and sickening all at the same time.

Ruth - He's not funny. He's a sick and hateful person. Yikes.

You are one of the very few better off then 4 years ago. I'm not being nasty but your comments regarding women's right's and their bodies is out of touch with reality. One person or president does not control the law. RvW is the law and the Supreme Court ruling will not be overturned by one person.

. . . and just when will Obama start embracing bipartisanship?

Exactly right! But the morons who voted for Obama have no idea what you mean!

Ignorant statements and uninformed. You would have voted in Bin Laden if her were a Democrat. Isn't it time to "focus" on the country and not the party.

I agree, Mischa. It wasn't President Bush, it was President Reagan who gave the Mujahideen the guns and training that were then used against us years later in Afghanistan. They were such heroes we even got a "First Blood" movie about them. And of course, President Bush, Don Rumsfeld and Colin Powell were only telling the truth about the WMDs. To this day they're out there and we know where they are, in the areas "around Tikrit and Baghdad and somewhat north, south, east and west of there". Be frightened, because they're still out there, lurking, just waiting for a chance to get ya.

Blaming does nothing. Each side is to blame, unfortunately and the system is so vast and complex that it cannot be pinned to one and only one constant. Instead of each president blaming the one before, someone should stand up and do things differently. It's clear from all the nastiness in this entire thread that real leadership is needed. We need someone to unite us, not a "leader", ahem, that continues to divide. I think it's foolish to blame one single person or even one single party. It's just not that simple. The real question is how do we get out of this mess?

You are really pathetic. This is Obama's economy 100%. Talk about not seeing the truth! Look at Obama's record. On all counts he has failed. You'll have to dig for the data because the media hides it. Where did Saddam Hussein get the WMDs he used to kill the kurds. Do you know what I'm talking about? Probably not! Obama won thanks to ignorance well represented by you!

JD Luke - I think that you are a patriot and I respect that and agree. Sounds like you might have been one of our military heroes who are little respected for the great work they do in protecting the rights we take for granted.

You don't "undo" things by making them worse, like piling on over $5 trillion of new debt. I guess that figure doesn't mean anything to you. Of course, the GOP foolishly picked the wrong candidate, someone who was far too similar to Obama (who is really just Bush 2.0) to have any shot at winning.

Pathetic excuse for your failed president. For how many years will Bush be blamed? This is hilarious!

So which Romney did you vote for? That was my biggest problem with the man, I couldn't figure out what he REALLY stands for, because it changed to suit his audience.

I believe a man has to stand by what he says. Political operatives may love the etch-a-sketch, but if I can't trust you to stand by your words I can't trust you, full stop.

If you examine his record of bi-partisanship in Mass you will find that he did NOT get things done in a bi-partisan way. He fought with the Democrats in Mass all the time. As for 'independent' voters, many are Tea Party these days, and the rest are generally conservative and end up voting Republican. Those independents who did lean to the left have become Democrats in the main, so while some independents end up voting Democrat, it turns out that is a small number in the total ranks of current independents, with far more finding the Republican Party too far to the left for them.

All you need to know about what Massachusetts thought of Mitt Romney is in the numbers: 34% job approval, declining to seek a second term when it became clear he would lose his re-election attempt, and easily losing to Obama among voters in the Bay State. The formula for defeating one failure wasn't replacing him with another. The GOP picked the wrong candidate, and we're all going to suffer because of it.

Oh sure - he's so stellar!

Jim -- the HOUSE is the body of Congress that actually is based on the number of people in each state. Yes, I want my representative to govern in my interest, but I agree with the House members who would not give in to OBama's ridiculous demands. It is Obama who is uncompromising -- that is a fact -- mentioned even by members of his own party. Clinton was able to compromise, while Obama could not. I am sick and tired of OBama saying that Congress won't work with him. -- Maybe if he didn't RAM Obamacare down everyone's throats, the House would be more accommodating. He is an arrogant man, and I am truly disgusted that he was elected again. The last budget that Obama proposed received NO votes!!! Not even Democrats voted for it.

how hard do you work jennifer? You wiping toilets or scrubbing floors in some mansion for 7 dollars and hour? You cutting lawns or doing roofing? Lawyer selling our so called justice? Doctor prescribing unneeded pills so big pharma can rake it in and all our kids can redrink the polluted pee? Let's judge as we all are being judged. What are we waiting for? Let's open the books and see who makes what and for what. That would be unamerican? how can a country, business or household keep it's books in order when they are all closed or not being written in? You think we can just take as much as we want and the free market balances the books? How dishonest or niave that is. Which is it with you?

Mr. Clark - not all doctors and lawyers are bad. And CEOs can actually be good people who care about their employees and their communities. Really! Yes, there are bad apples - but they're in EVERY segment and in EVERY wage class. There are thieves everywhere - whether they're cutting your grass or writing your paycheck. There are good people and then there are bad people, no matter their social or financial status. Hating and punishing all business owners for the faults of a few is not the right way to go. Why do YOU need to see MY financial books? What will that information do for you? Make you hate me even more because you feel that the kind of work I do doesn't justify my income? Who are YOU to say?! I run my business by day, write books in my "free" time and scrub my own toilets because thankfully I can do that too! See, my work day isn't just 6 hours. I get up at 5am and work - whether it's toilets or transactions or doggie duty - until 10pm. I don't go on vacations. I work weekends. I am married to my job and that dedication gives me the best gift of all: the pride and happiness of doing something for myself, making a change, living a life that I can be very proud of. When I was a poor girl in a small coastal town in Texas, I never thought this was possible. My parents tried to poison me against the rich and educated. My mom encouraged me to go out on disability at 18 years old! That just wasn't right, and thankfully I rose above that mindset. You can too.

Boy Jennifer, you are reading my mind!

The politicians can't have that. It would get in the way of rewarding their top fundraisers with tax loopholes that allow them to pay nothing even if they gross billions of dollars annually (i.e. General Electric).

Right on, Jon! Big trouble ahead for our kids . The next generation!

Jon you are spot on. This country is in trouble. Unfortunately we have become an entitlement society and people will vote for the candidate who gives away the freebies while the rest of society has to pay for them. Fortunately we have a divided congress so we can control or rather block some of his socialist ways We need Christie in 2016 to straighten things out.

Because Obama is the most divisive of anyone. He would have to unite the nation but he's not interested in doing that.

Hey Sandy, trust im not looking for doomsday by any means, believe me Im generally positive and I dont care who is President as long as it helps the country,,but we are stuck in a real bad situation that Im not sure people realize, i think some people look at the stock market and think the conomy is improving , but its not corporations have been making money the past few years because they cut overhead big time, which is why unemployment is so high,,with the new taxes and regulations that are due to start in '13 they have already forecast to do it again,,,Boeing did it today

He's not cool. He's awesome, and he beat the spray tanned rich guy that hides his money overseas and who writes off 47% of Americans

Insulting half the people of this country didn't work for Romney; it's a losing proposition for you, too.

Amen! You are so right.

+1. That's why *we* the people need to take charge. Unite ourselves and stop waiting for it to happen at the top because it's not going to happen.

Some might think that a governor leaving his state at a time of crisis to make a political appearance would represent the worst sort of leadership and judgment -- maybe a bit like Bloomberg's decision to run a marathon while parts of his city still reeled from the storm.

What!!???

You must be thinking of yourself, the blacks. Gee, 99% for Obama. Do you think maybe they're voting based on skin color? Wouldn't that be racist? Oh...well...racism only applies to white apparently. when blacks vote based on skin color it's ok, right?

not saving anything with an out of wedlock birthrate pushing 70%,no fathers in the home to help raise and guide their kids, been passed by every ethnic group in the country in education and there by job oppurtunities,,doesnt have to be that way but for the most part it is

No silly. 95% of blacks voted for Obama which offset the 60% of whites who voted for Romney. If God Bless or in the case of Obama's reverend God Damn America is based on this polarization....we are damned. Vote for Democrats it beats working.

+1 Mischa - there's an awful lot of racism in these threads. It's scary to know what people are REALLY thinking of me as they greet me with a smile in Shop Rite.

This 16 trillion national debt issue is a bit misleading. Yes, Obama has exploded the national debt, however by the sheer force of interest, the debt will rise exponentially with or without new issuance of treasuries (which is a pipe dream). This Country, imho, will NEVER implement a policy of paying down the national debt, even when our budgets were balanced back in the 90s this did not occur. National debt will keep hurtling out of control until we are unable to pay our debts as they become due (otherwise known as insolvency). At that time, we will utilize whatever military prowess we have remaining to invade yet another contury and/or battle with our creditors. This is inevitable.

Washed,
You have a interesting viewpoint - The budgets are introduced and passed by House & Senate then SIGNED into law or VETOED by the Prez... Executive Orders don't require Legislative approval til 90 days in case of war

Dubya got approval for war by claiming WMD... which was a lie he perpetrated and is currently under investigation by the Hague for... but he will never face trial like saddam hussein did - so sad. Google and fact check those facts - I already did.

President Obama signed the budgets int law, he didn't "vote" for any of them. Again fact checking... They were extensions of the Bush tax cuts approved by both houses of Congress...To not sign them would have placed this Country in default and put THOUSANDS of workers out of work costing millions of dollars losses to the economy.

Please enlighten me as to the base of your knowledge - I'm fascinated by the nitpicking but no acknowledgement of others views as possibly valid...

"Remember the round table is a 360 degree view"

Jimm you really are a moron and no doubt an unemployed loser sucking off the system. Luckily the successful people with a work ethic are paying for your food stamps and welfare. Conservative values will prevail Wait and see what an uninhibited Obama will bring. Then maybe you'll get it.

Washed ashore,
I'm not complaining about paying. I do not take any deductions which I'm not entitled and just because they make or have a law - does not mean its right. (example it was once ok to own slaves or work people to death in unsanitary conditions.)

I do not own any Apple product - exactly for that reason. I do my best to buy American made products and it is very difficult to do so. I am not one in favor of NAFTA / SALT trade agreements as we are giving away the farm - literally.

OUR Congress and Presidents (whether they are your flavor or not) got us into this mess. They have been bought and sold since the 60's. I try not to be a consipracist and stay in reality but find it hard to believe the defense industry didnt assasinate JFK over the coming Vietnam War.

I am speaking about reasonableness - I do not like Obama, but chose him over the "rich" and will do so every time. When Sheldon Adelman can toss 6 million dollars in one night into a Super-Pac, what choice do I have but to oppose him?

We are headed to a class war that Reagan started in 1980 when he said he was going to eliminate the middle class. and by God the conservatives have tried!

As long as I draw breath, those above me do not get my loyalty until they show some in return and we both know that isn't happening. "Better Dead than Red"

Why THANK YOU Mitt, I mean Gitt!
As I don't own stock - who gives a fat cats *ss if you lose money there?

Typical Obama voter here.

Incorrect, you are not a problem solver. You're a loser on the internet not making a difference. I can see how you were confused though.

Your opinion notwithstanding, there are many whites who voted for the president, and we do not consider ourselves citizens of "White America".

Washed, if you look at the thread, you will see you brought up the word "racist", not I. I said I didn't have to call you anything, your words show who you are.

Obama doesn't care about whites, even though he is half white. He is angry at white people and wants to take our money and re-distribute it to his people. He feels justified in doing this. He hates America and wants to change everything about this nation that has made it great. That's the CHANGE he wants. Funny though how he benefited from America. Got to go to college (if he would release any of this information) based on quota systems and grants for minorities. But just like the rich celebrities who have benefited the most from free enterprise and capitalism, he wants to destroy the very system that benefited him most. Sick!

Do you think someone like Jimm has investments? He's living off of us...remember? he doesn't pay taxes. He just has his hand out.

Washed ashore,
Your right -my pension is tangled in investments and would cost too much too change over. But I would consider it a small price to pay to watch all the Big Mouths lose thier McMansions when it happens. I have enough savings to offset the meltdown period.

Truth teller - I'm retired if you would actually read the posts, I worked my job for over two decades - put money away, took care of my family, paid my taxes and volunteered for my community? Did you? Or are you one of those wailers crying so loud that nobody questions you about your "truth" ... put up or shut up big man.

Obviously a state pension...living off government.

Truth teller,
yeah thats right, except you didn't pay diddly towards my pension... I never missed a payment in 25 years but since 1992 when (R) Gov. Christie took $300M out of our pension fund so you pantywaists wouldn't have a tax increase...then never paid that back... AND in the 20 years since the State, County and local governments have not paid ONE single full payment into the pension fund. That left the employees to fund it themselves - thats right 5%- 7% of our salaries went into the pension ALONE. The GAO estimates the missed government payments worked out to over 2 BILLION dollars lost by the fund over the 20 years.

Now McFly thats truth - check the Newark Star Ledger for the article. And STFU
Its stupid people like you that I took out of burning houses cause they fell asleep cooking or were fighting with the spouse and tried to burn down the apt, cut the drunk fools out of thier cars and actually cared about helping older folks when they had thier heart attacks... Do us a favor and don't call 9-1-1 when you are hurt because you dont appreciate what we do for less money than an athlete, you willingly pay $100 for a ticket to a game but bitch about $15 in your taxes. you are the lowest kind of life form on Earth.

Nah, I don't think you're any of those things.

What Democrat policies have ever worked?

What an asinine question "what Democrat[ic] policies have ever worked?" Are you really that arrogant to assert that NO policy espoused by Democrats has EVER worked? I won't dignify the question with an attempt to actually answer it.

BellairBerdan obviously gets off on stirrin' it up on this thread. Stop falling for it, folks.

Any logic your post had was lost when you cite Trump. Read up about how you can claim bankruptcy more than one and pay workers 10 cents on the dollar and still own casinos and private jets. Trump is a piece of $hit.

Washed ashore,
By your statement hasnt EVERY policy implemented by Democrats, Republicans and whoever failed? We have had all of those problems listed since the dawn of time. The Greeks, Romans, Turks, societies all collapsed under thier own failed expectations. We are doomed to repeat our history if we don't learn from it.

The military had it right with the term "sick,lame and lazy" yet they could not solve the problem either. Who is legitimately sick, who is scamming the system, and who doesn't really give a dam*?
Churchill said that "persistence was the ability to go from one failure to another without the loss of enthusiasm" I don't consider him a loser... just my $.02

Actually China holds about 8% of our debt.

You feel sorry for the younger generations, but not sorry enough to raise the income tax 3% on the top 2% of wage earners.

I couldn't agree more. This is so regrettable. The consequence of this direction will be a blow for this country. Abortion and Gay marriage was of greater importance than our financial health. We have lost our way.

Bel Air what will that solve? Will it lower the $16 trillion debt? Why did your Savior spend money he didn't have when in 2008 he complained about the debt being irresponsible?

Are you saying you want to raise the 35% bracket 3% higher to 36%? Capital gains from 15 to 15.45%?

I'll pay more if you show me what raising this tax actually does to help the poor.

You're funny Will. You're also a lil bit cray cray. You're going to have a miserable 4 years. Enjoy!

Jimm for POTUS! Jimm for POTUS!

Boeing did nt wait long annouced layoffs today,

are you saying, like most republican losers, that obama appealed to the majority and the disinfrangised,oops, minorities and therefore was a better representative of the majoritory of the people? if so, then why would you dislike that? Because you wanna be a slave owner of stupid blacks, mexican dumb people in your society? yes, is only the honest anwer so kill yourself kings.

Ok Fairlawn, Read my posts above, YOU taxpayers have not paid into the NJ pension system since (R) Gov Christie WHITMAN in 1992!!! Check the Newark Star Ledger for the story... I worked over 25 yrs and NEVER missed a payment into the pension... The matching funds WERE NOT paid by local,county or state governments each year because Legislature and the Gov (both Parties) wrote a law giving thmeselves a pass. According to the GAO in 1997 the Taxpayer contributions ran out... understand that? RAN OUT. The Pension is owed the equivalent of TWO BILLION dollars from the missed +20 years payments and interest due... Gov Christie has snowballed you into thinking its your money and were stealing it. WRONG its our money! between 5% & 7% of our pay goes into the pension and we have to pay 25 years or become disabled to get it. NOT YOU, Not ov Christie. Again read the article- its online and available. its true - so educate yourself and please stop saying lies.

Lying? Afraid not - look closer... The Glo Twp government COLLECTS employees contributions and sends them to the State Pension board, WHERE do you read that in Glo Twp's budget? Its the 5%- 7% of salaries withheld that they are sending to Trenton. Look in the same budget and look at credits... the didn't collect ANY pension funds from the employees? Not even close to the truth. Your $4.95M includes EVERY employee contribution , I was responsible and knew what had to be paid quarterly to the pension board as part of my job. We (NOT Glo Twp.) had over 100 people and our quarterly payments were more than $250,000 to the pension board. Thats a million dollars a year and there was NO municipal contribution in 2006, 2007 or 2008 confirmed by the business administrator because the law was passed by Legislature and Guv Corzine giving them the pass. Thats what got my curiosity and made me research it.
Try reading this; http://blog.nj.com/njv_johnbury/2009/06/no_hope_in_dopes_fixing_nj_pen.html

Not to belabor the point since they closed the thread: but your $800B annual expense argument ignores human nature. As you pointed out, and I picked up on...expenses continued to climb while revenue fell... what was it about $400B, meanwhile they were funding TARP and ARRA for was it about $1.3T. . .And don't give me the party vote rhetoric. . .they were all milking the system before the collapse, with their earmarks and pet projects. . .spending like drunken sailors! Deficits didn't matter then?

LOL - ok you KNOW everything - The employees and the employer MATCH funds, This only goes back to 2002 -I said 1992 (R) Gov. Christie Whitman TOOK $300 million from the Pensions and never paid it back, they also did not make thier payments - did you read your own posting? 2002 the Police and Fire Pension is over $1B yes billion in the red and 2003 they're $-79M yes negative 79 million -umm that means NO contribution, THEY took money out instead.... <smile> Gee could those extra dollars now be replacing those funds? Nahhh I didnt think so either!
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/pensions/annrpt2011/statistical.pdf

Finally - Ms. Conservative I didnt work for GT, but you didnt pay ANY taxes for my pension, "our" taxes would only go to state workers... The town I did work for was supposed to match it. The Pensions are only supposed to administrate it - NOT steal it!
I pay the same taxes you do, I own my home and am not delinquent in my taxes, so can't I complain I'n double taxed on the same money? Or would you rather have No Police, No Fire, No Garbage, No sewer, No Streets Dept? I pay my taxes and think I get pretty good services for them - its high but I appreciate what others do for me and my neighbors. I'm not crying about paying even after I retired...you are.

Jimm - sounds like you have a beef with your town. Why did they not fund the pensions? Where did the money that was collected from taxpayers go if not to the pensions? Was it investigated? If someone stole, put them in jail.

How do you get a negative contribution? This isn't Washington. We only deal in positive numbers in NJ. Maybe they overpaid the year before and it was credited? What I see when I add up the column is $5 B of contributions for the police fund. That came from property taxes. $5 B is a lot of money except for DC where it is about 1/2 day's spending.

Anyway bottom line is towns contribute to the pensions just like employees and that is from prop taxes which are sky high. The state paid $1.5 B last 2 years from other taxes. Money that could have gone to hire teachers or police in Camden but were not available since they have to go to pensions.

Let's put it on the ballot - Do NJ Taxpayers want to continue to pay high property, sales and income taxes to fund the pensions of our government employees?

Do you think it will pass? I say 65%

You really have me fired up now... you still havent answered the question of what happens to MY money in the Pension?
Try this analogy - you may understand it better what your suggesting...
If someone walks into a bank and makes a deposit every month for 25 years and then goes into the bank to start taking out the money but is told by the bank "Sorry - were not going to honor our agreement to pay you interest on your account, as a matter of fact we're going to take your money and keep it... How long do you think that bank would be in business, or someone not going to jail?

Jimm - the pension is funded by 3 sources
1. Employees (deducted from pay)
2. Employers (paid by prop taxes)
3. State (paid by income, sales and other taxes)

You said taxpayers were not funding it. It's not true. We do. And it costs plenty....too much actually.

My wife works for a hospital. Her pension was closed a decade ago because it was unaffordable. What does that have to do with burdening taxpayers? Should taxpayers pay for all nurses pensions or just gov employees? I congratulate you for doing your job and getting promoted etc but that doesn't mean I need to pay taxes for your benefits over my own.

Lot's of contracts are voided. I owned GM stock and bonds and when Obama bankrupted them, I lost my investments. My bond note said I owned the company but Obama said not any more.

Delphi has a contract and like them or not, they got screwed

Bottom line is who is paying and can they afford it. Obama wants more money. Local governments and states want more money for pensions. Everyone wants more money for what they want to spend it on What about the rest of us who don't get taxpayer funded benefits and pensions?

What happens to your money is you get it back and then you are in charge of it. It's how it works. When my wife's hospital closed the plan, that's what they did. The actuaries calculate it. It's very simple.

I get your analogy about following the rules and paying in and then how can someone take it away. I don't want to take it away. I want to give it back to you.

Let me flip it around, I have paid 14% into Social Security for 30 years (I am self employed). I have 15 to go to receive benefits. SS promised me when I started I would get benefits at 62, then they moved it to 65 and now higher. Aren't they doing what you are afraid of? I will never get back from SS what I even put in.

soccer mom- you and others seem to be fixated on the term entitlement. . .so tell me: when someone takes out an auto insurance contract and they sustain an injury, you expect medical costs to be paid under PIP insurance. The same, if you damage property and have collusion coverage...insurance pays. If someone takes out a life insurance policy naming you as beneficiary...you expect to collect. . .why is that?

Those "entitlements" are the insurance contracts as auto and life insurance. The state is bound by law to comply with it's agreement. You and others are continuously trying to spin "entitlement" as a welfare give away. . .it is not!

PS: show where the cost of Bush's two wars are in the budget too. . ..also I'm looking for defense spending in 2013 proposed budget. . .can't seem to find it...is it listed under Security?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

Hi Spooner - entitlement is the term the government and CBO uses.
Your example makes no sense. if I PAY for insurance then whatever coverage I paid for I should receive. The difference is PAYING for something that you expect to get in return. Yes, people pay into SS and Medicare and they expect to get something back. I know I do but the facts are SS and Medicare are deficit busters. The taxes paid don't cover the expenses. No one is entitled to more than they pay in are they so how come it is so?
In the budget, defense spending includes the wars etc under security. In 2013 defense spending. Under S4, defense spending in 13 is projected to go down 9 billion.
as you now see the 2013 spending level of 3.65 T dwarfs the 2008 spending. The difference isn't the wars or TARP or ARRA. It's just more spending mostly towards Medicare, SS, Medicaid, Welfare etc. all called entitlements.
The Govt under Obama and the Congress has simply continued to spend more money that we take in and the growth of the spending in dollars has accelerated the past 4 years. I know you are looking for the reduction in war spending. Me too right. You would expect the budgets to drop. They don't 1Who could ever justify more spending that they know is unpaid for?

look at the summary under mandatory - 2.2 T up 140B since 2011. That's annual spending it doesn't go down. just up. And its on borrowed funds

Fairlawn,
Who in thier right mind is going to take a job where there is a high risk of injury, sickness or death with no retirement/pension for thier families? Your "businesses" already gutted the private pensions and took that money in the 90's. Now 20 years later they are going after the public ones?
Take a really close look at your tax bill - my schools are 58% of my total tax bill. Thats where the problem lies IMHO. I love the teachers but we do not need a superintendent for each town and Principals for each grade and vice principals for each class... Every student gets diagnosed with some disorder that was called laziness in my youth and solved by a kick in the pants, not "Special Classes". We have two school boards and multiple schools - over 25 administrators making over 100K and several teachers making over 100K Supers go for $250K or more each.

Lets have ONE superintendent per County, one Principal per school and get back to basic 3R's. our per pupil cost is over $8K!!!! Stop the insanity! I dont mind teachers making $80K, but if your snotty brat can't function - keep him home and school him there - its poppa's and momma's problem not mine.

Jimm another classic union arguement. There are 23 million unemployed. Those jobs would be filled in no time for the exact same pay, healthcare and no pension. Pensions get eliminated because they are unaffordable ponzi schemes. If they weren't why are they all underfunded? Why does the PBGC bail them out? Lots of towns high replacements with different benefits with no problem. If someone doesn't want to take the job and the risks, they can feel free to go someplace else. Great thing about America isn't it. No where does it say if the gov employee is unhappy, taxpayers need to make them happy.
I agree with you on the schools and the biggest cost of that is pay and benefits. No we don't need all those administrators and nonsense but that is not the problem. It's benefits. Pensions and healthcare. look up your local budget and see how much it swallows.

Thanks for the back and forth.

I don't understand your point above - you mentioned the state has not contributed to the pension which was mostly true until recently. The state's contribution is funded from income, sales and other taxes. The state pays for the teachers pensions too. Look at your local school budget. Where is the big teacher pension expense? It's not there. Wonder why?

I do understand you did the job and we should honor your agreement if you are already in retirement or close to it when you cannot make other plans. We have to deal with the future. Pick an age and we cut it off. Point is that is the answer. We need to work out the details.

Jimm I try but sometimes it won't let me. LOL
I'm signing off for now. thanks for the exchange.

Jimm, just an FYI "FairLawn soccer mom" is the same person as "washed ashore" and "BelareBirden" and a I'm sure a few other troll names on here.

Really?
I guess the US Census has it wrong when it lists whites as being 72.4% of the population.
Even removing the people that identify themselves as hispanic-white, you still have 63.7% of the population identified as White( European descent)

Maybe you should give them a call and let them know they made a mistake.

Michelle, I see you're point. It was so refreshing to not see the left insult Romney for being Mormon. Or the New Black Panther party hangin around voting locations harrasing white voters (as they also did in 2008).
Did you know that Playboy published an article by a guy named Guy Cimbalo that he titled: The Hate F*ck List
Michelle Malkin
Megyn Kelly
Mary Katharine Ham
Amanda Carpenter
Elisabeth Hasselbeck
Dana Perino
Laura Ingraham
Pamela Geller
Michele Bachmann
Peggy Noonan
A few commnets he made about them
Michelle Malkin: “This highly f*ckable Filipina”

On Mary Katharine Ham: “You get this one pregnant, she stays pregnant. Karma’s a b*tch, isn’t it?”

What fantasy land do you live in?

Now we are quoting PLAYBOY as a political source? It's playboy for God's sake. They demoralize women of all races, creeds, political affiliations -- the only criteria is that you have breasts and a V. I did not know that, but then again, i don't subscribe to Playboy, so there you go. Gimme a break.

Here’s the difference mtwnres; only those on the radical fringe of the left made an issue of Romney’s religion, while prominent Morris County republicans actually attended prominent birther Jerome Corsi’s seminar earlier this year, and actually stated that there was something to his claim that Obama’s birth certificate was fake (never mind the number of Hawaiian officials that authenticated it).

This is the problem…. the GOP has to separate itself from the idiots and charlatans, and get serious. How many conservatives actually held out hope concerning Donald Trump’s “big announcement”???

60% of white voters disagree with Obama
60% of married men disagree with Obama
53% of married women disagree with Obama
56% of seniors disagree with Obama
52% of men disagree with Obama
66% of voters who cared about the deficit disagree with Obama
52% of voters who cared about the economy disagree with Obama

95% of Blacks agree with Obama
71% of Hispanics agree with Obama
60% of mainly unemployed 19-29 years olds agree with Obama

Looks more like the same old same old battle of the producers and the takers.

President Obama’s tactical victory is clear when you look at the election returns. He has no grand mandate that comes out of Tuesday’s numbers. He has been re-elected, but his policies did not win the day. Voters didn't turn their faces up to the vision he painted the way they did in 2008. When voters were asked which candidate had a vision for the future, Romney won that question in exit polls, 55 percent to 43 percent. Asked about Obama's signature achievement, health care, voters did not approve. Forty-nine percent said they wanted it repealed in part or whole. Voters also said the federal government was too large.

Hookerman - "Prominent Morris county republicans" That's a joke right ?
I suppose people across the country are following the daily goings on of
"Prominent morris county republicans" ?

“Romney wants to let the—he said in the first 100 days, he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules,” “Unchain Wall Street.
They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”
Joe Biden

Mitt Romney “is not the face of Mormonism,” he has “sullied” his faith.
“He’s coming to a state where there are a lot of members of the LDS Church,” “They understand that he is not the face of Mormonism.”
Harry Reid ( also a Mormon) attacking Romney on his religious faith.

MSNBC accusing Romney of following a faith invented to protect infidelity
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/larry-odonnell-again-attacks-romneys-religion-mormonism-invented-excuse-infidelity

Should I keep going ?

I see you edited this to remove the ironic and contractictory insult you hurled at me. but deleting it doesn't mean you never said it. How rude you are. It is telling that the exacmples of hate you give are quotes from smutty playboy and thinsg that happened not in this election but in the last. You seem to be a bit clueless in this respect..

Obama is a communist, he is a terrorist, he is a muslim, he has has a secret pact with russia, he is not an american, he is going to turn america in a communist country, into a socialist country. our number one agenda is to make him a 1 term president (not to help rebuild the country?), 47% of americans are lazy, feel entitlted to a home, healthcare, handouts and that the goverment ows them something, 47% dont pay taxes so who cares about them (you insult half the country and then are suprised that they don't vote for you?), women who voted for romney just want free birth control, black who voted for romney just did it because they are black, even colin powel who worked under BUSH is too stupid to vote intelligently so if he supports obama it is only because he is black, women can't get pregnant if they are raped, barack obama needs to go back to kenya, I mean i can go on and on. I am by no means saying that the democrats have halos over their heads and never said any thing untwart. What I am saying is that the constant rhetoric for 4 years non stop and at such a high decible that the core message, if the republicans had one, got lost in the sea of all that hate and venom. You will beleive and feel what and how you want, but what i am telling you and others is until you calm down and refocus and tone it down, and try to get in touch - you will continue to lose. period.

I guess you missed me writing this:

"just as outraged at the left 4 years ago "

4 years ago would be the 2008 election. Learn to read .

if you werent so busy editing your posts after the fact, thereby deletingthe replies to them, maybe I would be better able to follow your posts. Hard to read something that isn't there until after you get a reply that you don't like and try to hide it by deleting your thread and reposting it in a different way. You are so outraged at women on the left being insulted in a sexist way that you in turn throw sexist insults at another woman just because she has a different opinion than you. Stop being so disingenuous. You are so sadly contradictory and clueless that it is almost unfair to try to continue a dialouge with you.

Before you put up this kind of information you really should have checked out how "independent" they really are.
David P. Lewis, Chairman 2009–current Eli Lilly & Co, Vice President Taxes, Tax Council Policy Institute, Treasurer[25];James Lintott pre-1999–current Sterling Foundation Management;Bill Archer 2003–current former Texas Congressman
Wayne E. Gable Koch Industries Dir. of Federal Affairs, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Americans for Prosperity;James C. Miller III Citizens for a Sound Economy; Director of OMB under Pres. Regan;Joseph O. Luby, Jr. Exxon Mobil, VP Tax;James Q. Riordan Mobil, VP Tax; R. Glenn Hubbard Chairman of President Bush's Council of Economic Advisers;Michael P. Boyle Microsoft, VP Finance;Douglas Holtz-Eakin American Action Forum; chief economic adviser to Presidential candidate John McCain in 2008;Pamela F. Olson Skadden, Arps; senior economic adviser to the Bush-Cheney campaign & formerly Asst Secretary of Treasury for Tax Policy[27] under Pres. Bush.This "think tank" that is basically a propaganda machine (501c) for the Republican Party. Many of these guys contributors (millions $$$) to Romney's campaign. Just look at the Form 990, schedule B, page 2 to see the private contribution made to fund this "independent" organization, no names are disclosed. does not take a rocket scientist to see that its an organization with a specific agenda. An agenda that failed them with this week's re-election of Obama.

Here's an idea for all you Teabaggers and Republicans 'mourning' the re-election of Obama;
Pack up some supplies, food, water, first aid kits, Oh! and make sure you have plenty of soap and deodorant - you know- for that rancid smell of fear and loathing (and racism) you people reek of - and go hunker down in some underground survivor's bunker somewhere for the next 4 years, ok?
Hey- Don't forget your guns!

YOU will be happier and feel safer, and gods know WE would all be happier (and safer) without you nutcases running around stinkin' up the place with your stench of hatred.

OR... You can behave like grown up Americans -- Like the rest of us, who've lived through Reagan's terms, Nixon's terms, and *especially* Bush Jr's terms without half as much hand wringing and drama-queen doom and gloom predictions as you guys. And those three are the reasons our country hit the skids for YEARS and eventually ended up in the toilet by 2008.
So Get the Eff Over it Already! Move on.

Mattie, you really need help..thank god for free meds right?

continue to dismiss half the country as a bunch of lazy, non working, welfare recieving losers who just want free stuff and you will continue to be as out of touch as you were this election which lead to you losing an election that should have been a shoe in. The fact of th ematter is that MANY who voted for Obama work, have never been on assitance and the Mercedes they drive are not leased. Arrogant of you to think that everyone in your same socioecomic bracket shares your same ideolgy. Simply arrogant. GOP and its supporters like you two are getting in your own way and are too self righteous and condesending to see it. Good luck with that mentality. It did you no good this time around and will not serve you well if you continue with it the next 4 years. Get over it and try something new. This rhetoric is tiresome.

There are pinheads who describe welfare recipients as lazy, etc., and that's not right. However, that does not take away from the fact that half the population receives government assistance. It's perfectly reasonable to note that anyone who has become dependent upon government assistance will be inclined to perpetuate and even increase it. This is not a slur on those receiving assistance. It's an indictment of our government's education and economic policies which created the dependency. Romney's "47%" comment was distorted and exploited in a shameless way. Does anyone really want any more than a handful of Americans who cannot stand on their own two feet? Obama's campaign attack on Romney's comment implied that he's all in favor of a dependent citizenry.

Monk - 4.4% of the population is on welfare. when you and other throw out that "half the country is on government assistance" rhetoric you do realize that that include Welfare (again, just 4%) , food stamps, Social Security (seriously, you count that as goverment assistance when people who receive it now WORKED all their lives and get it as a result of WORKING) and Medicaid. And by the way Romney;s 47% comment was NOT distorted. Have to watched it and listented to it ver batum? "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

"Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax," Romney said, and that his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Sure is. I hope they lick their wounds and reshape into a party of moderates.

The *Southern Democrats who enacted those laws and invented the KKK were absorbed into what is today's republican party.

*Southern because MD is where the KKK was invented.

Please stop living in a fantasy and snap back to reality. So you're telling me that the Democrats are using racism to attract minorities? Tell me again how the Democrats elected an African American president??? Under Obama, there are about one million illegals deported out of the country.

John,I can see that you still haven't picked up that new tin foil hat yhou ordered from JC Penney.The old one seems to be cutting off circulation to your brain.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_taQYqkdHicg/S8cZ5vug5PI/AAAAAAAABSM/3L66xxQJAzY/s1600/teabaggers.jpg

Hi John Jay! Don't be a sore loser.

I am waiting for my invitation to return to the republican party. The old right wing religious republicans are getting tossed in favor for us more moderates. Hey, there is a welcome for you too - you just got to become a moderate.
I know I am a sore winner. Sorry!

you're an idiot. You lost big time, get over it.

It's "independents" to us "losers", and 3 million votes amounts to less than 3% difference in the general vote. If anyone thinks this was a landslide, they have acutely small mental capacity.

Taxes,a loss by 1 vote is still a loss.But,look at it this way.At least Ann Romney won't have to downsize her home to move into the White House.

I mean.. when you drop a billiondollars and get no return, you're going to have some people doing some crazy stuff.

You're another idiot. The country collapsed under GWB and we are picking the pieces up. Why don't you fucking pick up a book?

I'm assuing you voted for Bush both times. but I won't hold my breath for an apology from you for the ecomomic crisis that propelled Obama to victory to begin with in '08.