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POLL: Should Bears Be Hunted?

State bear hunt begins Monday.

The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection 2011 Bear Hunt begins Monday with hunters in possession of a permit allowed to kill one black bear each.

Bears are only allowed to be hunted in specific zones, which include parts of Morris, Sussex, Warren, Somerset, Bergen and Hunterdon counties, extending to the Pennsylvania and New York borders.

The six-day hunt, which was also held last year, is designed to help the DEP regulate bear population. According to the DEP, there are about 3,400 black bears living in a 1,000-square mile area north of Route 78 and west of Route 287. The DEP said the northwest corner of the state has one of the highest black bear population densities in the country.

"We are fully committed to this comprehensive black bear management effort, which not only protects the public but also safeguards our black bear population,'' said Dave Chanda, Director of the Division of Fish and Wildlife, in a press release. "That includes a continuing need to educate people who live in bear country or enjoy recreational opportunities in bear habitat areas on methods they can employ to limit the potential for negative interactions with black bears.''

According to final DEP results from the 2010 bear hunt, West Milford hunters harvested the most bears with 54 killed. Vernon Township harvested the second most with 50 bears and Walpack Township (also in Sussex County) harvested 50. The DEP reported that statewide, 243 bears were harvested on private property, 232 were harvested on state property, 93 on federal property and 24 on county-owned or municipal land.

Hunters are required to report kills to the department and transport bears to a DEP check station by 7 p.m. the day of the kill. There, they will be given a legal possession seal.

The bear hunt is held in conjunction with the six-day firearm deer hunting season.

Do you think bears should be hunted to control population? Participate in our poll and tell us why or why not in the comments below.

LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 03:48 PM
Ah, the nasty people return. The danger is not the issue here Apple. The "main" reason for the "harvesting" is the population. I compared it to humans because we are allowed to continue to over populate (mostly those who cannot afford them putting the burden on the taxpayers), when we have birth control options (China has a law allowing only 1 child per family), and they don't. As I stated, I'm sorry but I don't read daily reports of people in these areas being attacked and mauled by these bears. And as I also stated, I have them in my yard, I have a young child, I have a small dog, and I keep them inside when I see them. I put up a small fence around the back yard myself at a very minimal cost so if my child or pet is out in the yard, I have time to bring them in. As was also stated above by someone, when they are right up at my window and I look at them, they just continue on their way. I have NEVER seen them attack or damage my property or anyone elses. If people would put their garbage in sealed bags and put the cans inside their garage or sheds (where I put mine), they would more than likely go elsewhere seeking food. We are invading "THEIR" territory, they are not invading ours! ANOTHER ISSUE REGARDING "HUMAN" overpopulation.
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 03:58 PM
Alyson, I agree with you, it ALWAYS comes down to someone wanting more MONEY! I knew there had to be someone out there who would be willing to do the sterilizing for a reasonable fee (GOD BLESS HIM! I hope he enjoys a long, wonderful life), and I know there has to be a lot of people willing to help with that fee if it would save these innocent animals lives! Just like the Mt. Olive group who takes the ferrill cats to PA where a vet sterilizes them for a minimal fee to keep them from over populating (also makes me furious that one of the local vets doesn't do this, so they have to travel using more dollars in gas and tolls that can be used for other things they do like putting out dog igloos so they have a warm place to sleep in the winter). There is ALWAYS a better way than killing them. I don't like hunting at all, and I know there are people who hunt for the food (deer, etc.), but this is not for survival of a human being.
apple December 06, 2011 at 04:20 PM
I think you are very inappropriate calling me nasty!!! You must be very young and naive.I have lived in this town in a more wooded area by the lake and have seen quite a bit damage that bears have done over 30 plus years here.And you still like talking about human population and birth control options. What does China have to do with America "The Home of the Free".?If you have children and pets ,you should'nt have to worry while they play out in the yard, if the bear population can be thined out to a safe level.
Dan Grant December 06, 2011 at 05:12 PM
Those who say they are hunting for food have to be joking. They spend hundreds of dollars on guns and gear which drive the price per pound way over anything that saves them money. At least be honest. They kill for the pleasure of it. It isn't about conservation it is about blood lust.
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 05:35 PM
Most animal rights activists consider owning a pet or any domestication of animals to be tantamount to slavery. "killing another life shows a fundamental lack of compassion" So you will not euthanise your dog if he gets uncurable cancer? The point I make here is that being compassionate and hunting are not mutually exclusive. Hunting to feed your children is a prime example. I am a hunter and I can personally say A. I do not hunt for the thrill, please used fact backed arguments not your suppositions. I do agree some people may in fact do this, but to make a generalization as you have is not an intelligent argument. B. My family knows what they are eating. My wife considers deer to gamey but she does not consider it any less acceptable then beef ethically or morally speaking, My children eat game meat without issue. However, You did not answer my original question. How do you justify your statement Animal lovers "have better ethics and morals"?
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 05:40 PM
Alyson, can you please cite your sources. That would be far mroe compelling then simply being an interesting anecdote.
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 05:50 PM
If you are willing to relocate the animals at your expense (not tax dollars) and to guarantee they will not become a nuisance in their new home then I cannot argue with that. If you are willing to fund sterilization at your expense (not tax dollars) and to guarantee they will not become a nuisance in their existing home then I cannot argue with that. Bear meat is delicious, of course bears who feed on trash would taste about what you would expect. Please do not make statements you cannot cite facts about, it makes your entire argument seem less valid. Here in NJ bears have broken into homes http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/bear_that_broke_into_vernon_ho.html so now you have personally heard of them destroying peoples homes, a simple search would have revealed this fact to you so it seems to me your espousing emotions only and have no interest in finding the truth for yourself. You owe it to yourself to become better informed!
james December 06, 2011 at 06:29 PM
Im a plant lover and I think vegetarians are mean!
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 06:48 PM
Bear meat is fairly delicious, even with no preparation just cooked over the fire like any other steak...
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 06:51 PM
I had one more question. In light of your statement "Animals have the right to exist just like humans." Does this mean you also oppose all forms of state sanctioned murder of humans including the Death Penalty?
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 06:56 PM
@Apple: I am certainly not young or naive, and I have the right to my opinion as do you. Exactly what town do you live in, as this is a Patch site for all the local surrounding areas? What type of damage have you seen? In case I am not mistaken, this "Harvesting" has nothing to do with killing bears for food, it is about OVER POPULATION! That is what my referalls to China and America have to do with it. They are animals and they cannot control their population.
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 06:57 PM
@Dan Grant I hunt with a 30 year old shotgun that was putchased for less the $200 new. I have taken over 5000 pounds of edible meat in the last 30 years & shells are about $5.00 each and I hunt very infrequntly. At least for me it is a cost effective measure. I believe the meat I have hunted of better quality then slaughter house meat as you can readily find in the press sstories about how chicken, pork & beef stock is raised with anti-biotics or cattle eating corn instead of grass which fattens them faster... I do not hunt for bloodlust or "pleasure" I hunt because simply put game is cheaper and better then what is in the supermarket. I don't consider hunting a miserable task, but I certainly would not go around saying it is fun like sports either. It is simply a chore. There are some who do this for enjoyment, but not everyone does... I note that you have served as a Sunday school teacher, Deacon & Elder in your church I take this to mean you lead a bible based life so I remind you that public supposition on your part is a slipper slope to bearing false witness. For everyones sake, cite facts. I also remind you that several passages in the bible specifically mention and allow for hunting, for example Leviticus 17:13,14.
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 07:01 PM
@Adam: Where did you read in my statement that it should be payed for by the taxpayers? I stated there are plenty of us willing to put out the money to protect them. This has everything to do with the money hungry government and nothing else, they just want the hunting permit fees. I also most certainly DO NOT OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY and personally don't think they use it enough! You people just don't get it. THEY ARE ANIMALS, THEY DO NOT MURDER PEOPLE LIKE HUMANS WHO HAVE MINDS AND KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG! GIVE ME A BREAK. I'd like a list of every single one of those hunters and would like to visit their homes to see how many of them are using it for meat!
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 07:04 PM
Besides, the whole issue has to do with over population. Human beings are the only life forms on the planet that have sex for any reason they can think of other than to pro-create (and gee imagine--the US is at the top of the list--at least if people are telling the truth). Animals only mate once a year, so it's not like they're running around like humans having sex every day.
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 07:12 PM
@Adam: You are a big contradictor of your own words. Here you state compassion is being shown, how is that by shooting some innocent animal who you have no clue has done anything wrong? We do not shoot our pets any longer when they are lame, this is not the old west days, we take them to the vet to be euthanized humanely, and only when they are extremely sick, not because they are over crowding us. Your statement below also says you hunt and eat Deer. This blog is not about deer, it is about bear, to which I'd like you to show me statistics as you are so smart, about how much bear meat is consumed IN THIS STATE, NO WHERE ELSE! And a couple of random incidents of them breaking into peoples homes, does not warrant a massacre. And as Apple doesn't seem to connect the two, we certainly don't massacre human beings that break into peoples homes and steal when they have a mind, and this is certainly quite rampant!
LV Mom December 06, 2011 at 07:32 PM
And in case you still haven't figured out what the "Human" population has to do with, I guess I will spell it out for you: The bears are running out of habitat because the "Humans" continue to populate and take over all the land. Get it now?
apple December 06, 2011 at 07:46 PM
I get that you like to hear youself talk alot.Peace out.
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 08:45 PM
@LV Mom I don't understand how you think I am contradicting myself so I will explain more clearly. Hunting an animal to feed people is compassion towards humans. I was not refering to "shooting a lame horse" but rather exactly what you cited, Euthanization by a Vetrinarian, I was asking Sunny to explain her position because she made an absolute statement "killing another life shows a fundamental lack of compassion." My point being that compassion, is not a cut & dried topic. I am not sure how the fact that I hunt deer, but not bear invalidates my questions. Your statement "to which I'd like you to show me statistics as you are so smart, about how much bear meat is consumed IN THIS STATE, NO WHERE ELSE!" I am not sure why you seem to be calling me out by saying "as you are so smart" as I am asking questions and supplying facts. That said, I do nto think I would be able to find a factual number behind how much bear meat is eaten & I did not and would not make a claim as to what is eaten in this state. I only stated that I eat everything I kill as it is a waste to do anything but that. Anecdotally speaking most hunters do the same. My reply to this post by Sunny, was that painting hunters as unethical & amoral because you disagree does not make sense & I wanted further understanding on her position. I see you have posted later on and I will respond appropriately.
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 09:06 PM
two posts because it does not fit... 1 of 2 I did not, nor did I claim you did. I made that qualification because I think it is important. Truth be told if it was a donation and not compulsory and I believed the proposed solution had a reasonable chance at success I would contribute. As to the death penalty in humans, again I am simply trying to understand your viewpoint. Why is the death penalty a good solution? Evidence points to the fact that we, as humans make errors as shown by http://www.innocenceproject.org/ Execution as a deterrant does not seem to be effective either http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/discussion-recent-deterrence-studies
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 09:07 PM
2 of 2 I asked about the Death Penalty in the first place because you stated "Animals have the right to exist just like humans.". Which I always find to be a bit contradictory as most animal lovers hold the same position as you, I am not trying to "poke at you wiht a stick" but to truly get a better understanding of why. You said, I just don't get it, and I don't, but I am trying to see it from your side also. So your reply "THEY ARE ANIMALS, THEY DO NOT MURDER PEOPLE LIKE HUMANS WHO HAVE MINDS AND KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG! I'd like a list of every single one of those hunters and would like to visit their homes to see how many of them are using it for meat!" Is a bit of insight, you do not believe ALL the meat is being used and you think that it makes it a slaughter otherwise, which if you read what I posted is fairly much in agreement with my position. Unfortunately we have no way of knowing what truly was taken to eat, but then I only spoke of myself. I do know other hunters who also hunt for the meat, and one in particular who donates anything more then his family can use to a food kitchen.
JoeyBananas December 06, 2011 at 09:10 PM
Dolphins sport fu*k and that's a fact ... Some animals engage in homosexual sex also .. -
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 09:16 PM
@LV Mom Actually the United States has a shrinking popultation, but I do get your point. NJ has been overbuilt and it is crowding out the bears. But if you meant the top of the list for how often humans in the United States mate, well, I agree humans as a whole are pretty active ;) But I do not think I want to go looking to find out who is the most horny nation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate
Adam Sonzogni December 06, 2011 at 09:17 PM
Oddly I did ncome across this when against my better jhudement I went looking for statistics on sexual frequency by nation... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour
Sunny Forrest December 06, 2011 at 10:31 PM
I KNOW HOW NJ TAXPAYERS CAN SAVE A HEAP OF MONEY!!! DIVISION OF FISH AND WILDLIFE seems like PORK that needs to be trimmed. It is TIME for them TO GO or at least have a good house cleaning. Who wants to SAVE SOME MONEY next year? Also I say let's make sure GOVERNOR CHRISTIE does NOT GET ELECTED to another term in office.
Sunny Forrest December 06, 2011 at 10:44 PM
BTW we will save the most tax dollars by getting rid of the top earners at Division of Fish and Wildlife.
Frank Santagata December 07, 2011 at 12:08 AM
In my earlier post I explained my position …… But I am amazed at how so many people with so few facts can make so much noise about a subject they know so little about. Learn the facts……The real facts and look at all the issues before engaging the mouth. Hunters pay for their sport and your also for the land the preserve for you to use to bike and hike and picnic in. NO tax dollars are involved!! People do eat and enjoy Bear meat, it happens to be very tasty; you should give it a try. Governor Christy is doing a great job….Sunny and your wrong about the pork …so you are 0 for 2 in your comments. I really think that most people in here have good intentions but attacking your fellow man is not the way to solve the problem.
Sunny Forrest December 07, 2011 at 03:54 PM
Frank, Are you a used car salesman? Because no one is buying it. Where does the money come from for the salaries at the NJ State Division of Fish and Wildlife? Christy is an unpopular. bully who will not have a second term. The reason he passed on running for President is because he knows he wouldn't win. I have never seen or heard of anyone eating bear meat (that really shows how desperate you are to prove your point). At least not in civilized America. As far as attacking your fellow man (with words), I guess you think it is better to attack scared animals with sophisticated weapons with the purpose of killing them.
james December 07, 2011 at 04:02 PM
Just because you don't eat bear meat means nobody does?
Jake Cassan February 29, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Yes
michele mackenzie September 03, 2012 at 06:52 PM
I agree with Sunny..I love all animals and do not think mans answer to everything is to kill them. I do not eat animals,(am Vegan) wear animals...No leather, furniture-shoes-belts etc..Do not believe in zoos unless it is a sanctuary for injured animals-do not buy any wool-only use the wool from my friends sheep that are her lifelong pets..do not buy cleaners, shampoos etc tested on or that have animal prod. in them. Most hunters do KILL for sport. Man thinks they can do whatever they want. Take over the earth and all living creatures habitats--the woods, rainforests, destroy the oceans...etc

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